Kat and X.org: important updates

#includeResource("Skel.ArticleHeader") Mandriva users and club members have been experiencing issues with some important packages in the last weeks. In particular, we have received many problem reports about Kat and about the X.org packages.

Kat is a new technology for searching documents and messages that we choose to integrate in the 2006 release. Mandriva engineers, like Laurent, have worked extensively within the Kat project to stabilize this new technology and offer it on the Mandriva desktop. Unfortunatly, we haven't been able to gather enough user feedback during the cooker testing process. The result is that Kat has not been stable enough in all configurations, mostly for users migrating from previous Mandriva release or those who have a lot of emails in particular. We have acknownledged these issues shortly after 2006 has been released and Laurent has worked since then to tune the behaviour of Kat and continue to develop fixes and patches. This has resulted in a Kat update that cures most of these issues. However, we have decided to disable the mail indexing feature, because the underlying tools have not been designed to go through large mailboxes of more than 1 Gigabytes. We regret turning off this feature, but it has been decided to be a safer choice, the least surprising for most of our users. Of course, we are still investigating ways to re-enable mail indexing, searching for better tools able to cope with large files. This should be available in the next months, first on cooker, then on upcoming club versions.

X.org packages bundled in the 2006 release have also been a source of difficulties for some graphic card owners. The problem has different roots. Mainly, we have been participating in X.org development and certifying graphic adapters during the last months before 2006 release. At that time, the development version of X.org was the only solution to support the latest chipset we targeted. Shipping 2006 without this support would have limited the reach of our product, in particular for the OEM market. The OEM market is strategic for Mandriva to widen Linux adoption, thanks to key partnerships we have signed or renewed with Intel Corp. or Hewlett-Packard. We have thus choosen to ship 2006 with a pre-release version of X.org, after cautious testing of many graphical platforms. Unfortunalty, this choice had some bad side-effects with some model of graphic cards that were broken with this intermediate release of X. As stated, at least on the development lists, the Engineering team was waiting for the official release of X.org to release updated packages as soon as possible, to get back to only stable and official packages. Again, we have released updated X.org packages a few weeks ago, containing a build with the latest final and official version of X.org. We apologize to customers that experienced problems with their graphic cards and hope you will understand the decision we had to make last year.

In summary, Mandriva 2006 illustrates our commitment to innovation. We choose to take some risks to offer better features, and these choices have been validated by the success of the 2006 release and by the large distribution agreements. Yet, 2006 is a living product. We work hard to fix all pending issues, and provide the necessary updates for our customers. Please continue to give us your feedback and tell us how we can improve our products and the Linux technology.

David Barth - VP Engineering

Main - Kat and X.org: important updates
Version 1.19 last modified by David Barth on 19/10/2006 at 03:17

Comments (13)

AshLeDombos | 09.02.2006 at 01:18 PM
Thank you !!! Thank you for this example of communication !!! Please continue like that !

Christophe_deR | 09.02.2006 at 03:04 PM
I had to give this explanation many times on the mandriva forum when neophyte users were complaining about some strange behaviors. Thank you for trying to communicate with users. This is a good idea to try and explain them, what's happening in an _open_ source system .

dexter11 | 09.02.2006 at 03:58 PM
Wow for moths almost no word from Mandriva employees "only" Adam. Now the CEO gives an interview (with a comment from Gael Duval) and the chief of VP engeneering makes an announcement. I like this new wind of change. There are still a lot of people left though make them give interviews. How about somebody from the Brazilian branch, for a start.

ChTy | 09.02.2006 at 05:02 PM
Ah voila un bon geste de communication ! Bravo David :-) … j'espere que cela continuera…

ourcraft | 09.02.2006 at 06:08 PM
Bravo, I support the move to more ommunication. Your user base is smarter -more educated and in tune with the things you are trying to do and ready to contribute. Let your users in, let them interview, translate and repair, give away a month of membership for a contribution.

Get art made for you site, (which is still a little broken), get art for the distro! You are in Paris(!) for goodness sake, have somebody bike over to the left bank and offer some bedraggled artist a lifetime's gift of linux support in a contest for look and feel. Get out - talk - communicate! I don't know what is keeping you distracted from your community and a world of new customers, (negotiations with govt. deptarments for major deployments?) but really, membership gifts can help take up the slack, without any real cost, get on it!


awilliamson | 09.02.2006 at 07:05 PM
Thanks a lot for getting involved with the Club and being open about the issues with 2006, David :)

orphee | 09.02.2006 at 08:42 PM
Bravo. Plus Mandriva communique, plus la communauté vit.

wobo | 10.02.2006 at 01:48 PM
Yes, I also appreciate this example of how it could have been during the last 5 years. Hopefully we will not have to wait another 5 years and hopefully this line of communication will open up before people start asking.

Thanks David, a fine start!

wobo


yoho | 11.02.2006 at 10:06 AM
I appreciate a lot this kind of explaination and thank you for this post. I hope it is the beginning of a new way to communicate at Mandriva.

BUT I have to disagree with you about the fact that Cooker community is responsible for kat problems. First, it is not responsible for any kind of bad QA : there's a Mandriva team for this. Second, have a look at the Cooker Mailing list and the number of people complaining about kat BEFORE it has been released in mdv 2006 : you can't say no one gave feedback on this. Third, although several bug reports were opened (http://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19756 , http://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19403 , http://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19236 , ...), NO ONE (even adam) did get any kind of reply.

Now, the true reason for the kat mess is simple : kat was really buggy and no one had time to fix it before release (or wanted to do so). It should have been removed from 2006, but the commercial already did their job by advertising about a "google-desktop-like" in mandriva 2006, so no way back.

As a conclusion to both issues (X and kat) I hope Mandriva has learned bug reports shouldn't just be ignored and should always consider the possibility to go back in case of major problems.


Christophe Breysse | 12.02.2006 at 12:13 PM
Bravo pour le feedback effectivement après une période un peu chaude suivant la mise à dispo de la 2006 pour les causes vues dans ce topic, il est agréable d'avoir des explications. Cette manière de pocéder est une des raisons de ma fidélité à Mandriva, même si Debian n'est jamais très loin. Il y a de la place pour les distros commerciales ET pour les versions telles que debian. Continuez comme cela, c'est indispensable sinon bcp migreront vers les solutions totalement gratuites, ce qui serait dommage à la vue des efforts de Mandriva pour la communauté.

cprior2 | 18.03.2006 at 11:22 AM

cprior2 | 18.03.2006 at 11:24 AM
Merci pour ces explications et pour le travail fait. Je trouve que la Mandriva 2006 est une très bonne version et je la conseille vivement à tous ceux que je rencontre, qui veulent se mettre à Linux et qui ne sont pas forcément des informaticiens dans l'âme ou ont d'autres occupations plus urgentes.

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